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“I was always interested in medicine. From a relatively early age I thought that’s what I would be doing,” said Dr. Kim. When his father became disillusioned with his own career as a pathologist, he encouraged his son to look in other directions.
“In college I had the opportunity to study and learn broadly and I became interested in public policy and eventually majored in that discipline,” he said.
The mentorship of the late Uwe Reinhardt, a well-respected health economist at Princeton University, had a major impact on Dr. Kim during his senior year of college. Reinhardt told him that physicians are afforded a special position in society. “They have a moral responsibility to take the lead in terms of guiding and shaping healthcare. His message made a big impression upon me,” said Dr. Kim.
Ultimately, he decided to go into clinical medicine, but maintained his interest in healthcare policy. Experiences outside of the standard approach to medicine “helped me stay in the big picture of healthcare, to make a difference beyond just my individual patients. And that’s played a big part in keeping me involved in organized medicine,” said Dr. Kim, who began his term as AGA president in May 2025.
Dr. Kim is also a partner at South Denver Gastroenterology, a 33-provider, independent gastroenterology practice in Colorado. As the first physician in Colorado with fellowship training in endoscopic ultrasound, he introduced this service line into South Denver’s advanced endoscopy practice.
Dr. Kim has served in numerous roles with AGA, among them the co-director of the AGA Clinical Congress, the Partners in Quality program, and the Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant Course. He is a Digestive Disease Week® abstract reviewer, has served as AGA representative to the Accreditation Association for Ambulatory Health Care and to the Alliance of Specialty Medicine. He has also served on the AGA Governing Board as clinical private practice councilor and secretary treasurer.
He discussed the high points of his career in an interview, revealing his plans as AGA president for unifying the sectors of GI medicine and fostering GI innovation and technology.
As the new AGA president, what are your goals for the society?
Dr. Kim: I want to put out a message of inclusivity. I think what’s special about AGA is that we’re the society for all gastroenterologists. Among all the other GI organizations, I think we really have the biggest tent and we work to unite clinicians, educators, and researchers – all gastroenterologists, regardless of their individual practice situation. These days, there is a tendency toward tribalism. People are starting to gravitate toward limiting their interactions to others that are from the same backgrounds. But as gastroenterologists we have more that unites us than divides us. It’s only by working together that we can make things better for everyone.
I think the second point is that we’re on the cusp of some important transformations in gastroenterology. The screening colonoscopy model that has sustained our specialty for decades is rapidly evolving. In addition, there is an increasing ability for patients as consumers to direct their own care through advances in technology, such as virtual health platforms. We’re seeing this as patients increasingly adopt things like complementary and alternative medicine outside of the standard model of physician-directed healthcare. These are two important trends that gastroenterologists need to be aware of and learn how to manage and to adapt to. I think AGA’s role is to help guide that evolution and to give physicians the tools to be able to respond.
We want to focus on innovation and we want to focus on practical solutions.
In terms of fostering innovation in gastroenterology, we’re the first medical professional society to create an incubator for new technologies. Not only do we provide that resource to our members, but we’re also putting our money where our mouth is. Through venture capital initiatives such as our GI Opportunity Fund, we directly invest in companies that we’re helping to develop.
On the practice side, we have been engaging directly with payers to foster improved communication and address pain points on both sides. I think we’re the only medical society that’s taking this type of approach and moving away from the traditional adversarial approach to dealing with payers. Recently, we had a very productive discussion with UnitedHealthcare around some of their upcoming formulary changes for inflammatory bowel disease. We used that opportunity to highlight how nonmedical switching between existing therapies can adversely impact patients, as well as increasing burden of red tape for practices.
Your practice was one of the original groups that formed the Digestive Health Physicians Association (DPHA). What accomplishments of the association are you most proud of?
Dr. Kim: DHPA formed about 10 years ago as an advocacy organization to combat a specific perceived threat, which was the in-office ancillary exception. This is the legislative pathway that allows gastroenterologists to provide ancillary services within their practice. An example of this is pathology for endoscopic procedures, which is an incredible value to patients and improves quality of care. This was under a significant legislative threat at that time. As independent physicians, DHPA took the lead in advocating against eliminating that exception.
I think the larger accomplishment was it demonstrated that gastroenterologists, specifically independent community practice gastroenterologists, could come together successfully and advocate for issues that were of importance to our specialty. AGA and DHPA have worked very well together, collaborating on shared policy interests and have worked closely on both legislative as well as regulatory issues. We’ve sponsored joint meetings that we’ve programmed together and we’re looking forward to continuing a robust partnership.
You have introduced several new clinical practice and practice management models. Can you discuss the part-time partnership model and what it has achieved?
Dr. Kim: Like many practices, South Denver Gastroenterology historically required physician partners to work full time. This conflicted with our desire and our need to attract more women gastroenterologists into our practice. The process involved careful analysis of our direct and indirect expenses, but more importantly it required a negotiation and a meeting of the minds among our partners. A lot of this ultimately came down to trust. It helped a great deal that our practice has always had strong cohesiveness. That helped us to build that trust that partners would stay engaged in the practice even if they worked part time.
Our practice has also always prioritized work-life balance. We were able to come up with a formula that allows partners to work three days per week, retaining their partnership interest and their participation in practice decisions. They stay involved but are also financially sustainable for the practice. It’s been very successful. It’s been a big draw, not just for women, but it has allowed us to create a situation where women are fully one third of our partnership. It’s something we’re all extremely proud of.
How did you get involved in AGA?
Dr. Kim: One of the first projects I participated in was the Roadmap to the Future of GI Practice. This was an initiative to help prepare GI practices for value-based care. We did things like develop quality measure sets for GI conditions such as inflammatory bowel disease and hepatitis C. We published a bundled payment model for screening colonoscopies. We also created a model for obesity management by gastroenterologists. This was 15 years ago, and I think it was about 15 years ahead of its time! It’s interesting to see how many of these changes in GI practice that we envisioned are slowly coming to pass.
I saw that AGA was interested in me as a community-based clinician. They focused on trying to develop those practical tools to help me succeed. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stayed engaged.
What is your approach to patient communication and education?
Dr. Kim: There are two things that I always tell both my staff as well as young people who come to me asking for advice. I think the first and most important is that you should always strive to treat your patients the way that you would want your family treated. Of course, we’re not perfect, but when that doesn’t happen, look at your behavior, the way that you’re interacting, but also the way the system is treating your patients and try to improve things within your own practice. And then the other thing that I tell folks is try to spend more time listening to your patients than talking or speaking at them.
What do you think is the biggest misconception about GI?
Dr. Kim: We’re not just about colonoscopies! I went into GI not just because I enjoy performing procedures, but because our specialty covers such a broad spectrum of physiology and diseases. We also have the ability as gastroenterologists to develop long-term relationships with our patients. I’ve been in practice now more than 25 years, and the greatest satisfaction in my career doesn’t come from the endoscopy center, although I still enjoy performing procedures. It comes from the clinic; it comes from the patients whom I’ve known for decades, and the interaction and conversations that I can have with them, the ability to see their families, their parents, and now in some cases their kids or even their grandkids. It’s incredibly satisfying. It makes my job fun.
What advice would you give to aspiring medical students?
Dr. Kim: One of the things I would say is stay involved in organized medicine. As physicians, we are endowed with great trust. We also have a great responsibility to help shape our healthcare care system. If we work together, we really can make a difference, not just for our profession, but also for society at large and for the patients whom we serve.
I really hope that young people don’t lose their optimism. We hear a lot these days about how much negativity and pessimism there is about the future, especially among young people in our society. But I think it’s a great time to be in medicine. Advances in medical science have made huge strides in our ability to make real differences for our patients. And the pace of technology progress is only going to continue to accelerate. Sure, there are lots of shortcomings in the practice of medicine, but honestly, that’s always been the case. I have faith that as a profession, we are smart people, we’re committed people, and we will be successful in overcoming those challenges. That’s the message that I have for young folks.
Lightning Round
Coffee or tea?
Coffee, black
What’s one hobby you’d like to pick up?
Anything except pickleball
What’s your favorite season of the year?
Winter, I’m a skier
What’s your favorite way to spend a weekend?
Doing anything outside
If you could have dinner with any historical figure, who would it be?
Ben Franklin
What’s your go-to karaoke song?
You don’t want to hear me sing
What’s one thing on your bucket list?
Skiing in South America
What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever received?
Follow your heart
“I was always interested in medicine. From a relatively early age I thought that’s what I would be doing,” said Dr. Kim. When his father became disillusioned with his own career as a pathologist, he encouraged his son to look in other directions.
“In college I had the opportunity to study and learn broadly and I became interested in public policy and eventually majored in that discipline,” he said.
The mentorship of the late Uwe Reinhardt, a well-respected health economist at Princeton University, had a major impact on Dr. Kim during his senior year of college. Reinhardt told him that physicians are afforded a special position in society. “They have a moral responsibility to take the lead in terms of guiding and shaping healthcare. His message made a big impression upon me,” said Dr. Kim.
Ultimately, he decided to go into clinical medicine, but maintained his interest in healthcare policy. Experiences outside of the standard approach to medicine “helped me stay in the big picture of healthcare, to make a difference beyond just my individual patients. And that’s played a big part in keeping me involved in organized medicine,” said Dr. Kim, who began his term as AGA president in May 2025.
Dr. Kim is also a partner at South Denver Gastroenterology, a 33-provider, independent gastroenterology practice in Colorado. As the first physician in Colorado with fellowship training in endoscopic ultrasound, he introduced this service line into South Denver’s advanced endoscopy practice.
Dr. Kim has served in numerous roles with AGA, among them the co-director of the AGA Clinical Congress, the Partners in Quality program, and the Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant Course. He is a Digestive Disease Week® abstract reviewer, has served as AGA representative to the Accreditation Association for Ambulatory Health Care and to the Alliance of Specialty Medicine. He has also served on the AGA Governing Board as clinical private practice councilor and secretary treasurer.
He discussed the high points of his career in an interview, revealing his plans as AGA president for unifying the sectors of GI medicine and fostering GI innovation and technology.
As the new AGA president, what are your goals for the society?
Dr. Kim: I want to put out a message of inclusivity. I think what’s special about AGA is that we’re the society for all gastroenterologists. Among all the other GI organizations, I think we really have the biggest tent and we work to unite clinicians, educators, and researchers – all gastroenterologists, regardless of their individual practice situation. These days, there is a tendency toward tribalism. People are starting to gravitate toward limiting their interactions to others that are from the same backgrounds. But as gastroenterologists we have more that unites us than divides us. It’s only by working together that we can make things better for everyone.
I think the second point is that we’re on the cusp of some important transformations in gastroenterology. The screening colonoscopy model that has sustained our specialty for decades is rapidly evolving. In addition, there is an increasing ability for patients as consumers to direct their own care through advances in technology, such as virtual health platforms. We’re seeing this as patients increasingly adopt things like complementary and alternative medicine outside of the standard model of physician-directed healthcare. These are two important trends that gastroenterologists need to be aware of and learn how to manage and to adapt to. I think AGA’s role is to help guide that evolution and to give physicians the tools to be able to respond.
We want to focus on innovation and we want to focus on practical solutions.
In terms of fostering innovation in gastroenterology, we’re the first medical professional society to create an incubator for new technologies. Not only do we provide that resource to our members, but we’re also putting our money where our mouth is. Through venture capital initiatives such as our GI Opportunity Fund, we directly invest in companies that we’re helping to develop.
On the practice side, we have been engaging directly with payers to foster improved communication and address pain points on both sides. I think we’re the only medical society that’s taking this type of approach and moving away from the traditional adversarial approach to dealing with payers. Recently, we had a very productive discussion with UnitedHealthcare around some of their upcoming formulary changes for inflammatory bowel disease. We used that opportunity to highlight how nonmedical switching between existing therapies can adversely impact patients, as well as increasing burden of red tape for practices.
Your practice was one of the original groups that formed the Digestive Health Physicians Association (DPHA). What accomplishments of the association are you most proud of?
Dr. Kim: DHPA formed about 10 years ago as an advocacy organization to combat a specific perceived threat, which was the in-office ancillary exception. This is the legislative pathway that allows gastroenterologists to provide ancillary services within their practice. An example of this is pathology for endoscopic procedures, which is an incredible value to patients and improves quality of care. This was under a significant legislative threat at that time. As independent physicians, DHPA took the lead in advocating against eliminating that exception.
I think the larger accomplishment was it demonstrated that gastroenterologists, specifically independent community practice gastroenterologists, could come together successfully and advocate for issues that were of importance to our specialty. AGA and DHPA have worked very well together, collaborating on shared policy interests and have worked closely on both legislative as well as regulatory issues. We’ve sponsored joint meetings that we’ve programmed together and we’re looking forward to continuing a robust partnership.
You have introduced several new clinical practice and practice management models. Can you discuss the part-time partnership model and what it has achieved?
Dr. Kim: Like many practices, South Denver Gastroenterology historically required physician partners to work full time. This conflicted with our desire and our need to attract more women gastroenterologists into our practice. The process involved careful analysis of our direct and indirect expenses, but more importantly it required a negotiation and a meeting of the minds among our partners. A lot of this ultimately came down to trust. It helped a great deal that our practice has always had strong cohesiveness. That helped us to build that trust that partners would stay engaged in the practice even if they worked part time.
Our practice has also always prioritized work-life balance. We were able to come up with a formula that allows partners to work three days per week, retaining their partnership interest and their participation in practice decisions. They stay involved but are also financially sustainable for the practice. It’s been very successful. It’s been a big draw, not just for women, but it has allowed us to create a situation where women are fully one third of our partnership. It’s something we’re all extremely proud of.
How did you get involved in AGA?
Dr. Kim: One of the first projects I participated in was the Roadmap to the Future of GI Practice. This was an initiative to help prepare GI practices for value-based care. We did things like develop quality measure sets for GI conditions such as inflammatory bowel disease and hepatitis C. We published a bundled payment model for screening colonoscopies. We also created a model for obesity management by gastroenterologists. This was 15 years ago, and I think it was about 15 years ahead of its time! It’s interesting to see how many of these changes in GI practice that we envisioned are slowly coming to pass.
I saw that AGA was interested in me as a community-based clinician. They focused on trying to develop those practical tools to help me succeed. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stayed engaged.
What is your approach to patient communication and education?
Dr. Kim: There are two things that I always tell both my staff as well as young people who come to me asking for advice. I think the first and most important is that you should always strive to treat your patients the way that you would want your family treated. Of course, we’re not perfect, but when that doesn’t happen, look at your behavior, the way that you’re interacting, but also the way the system is treating your patients and try to improve things within your own practice. And then the other thing that I tell folks is try to spend more time listening to your patients than talking or speaking at them.
What do you think is the biggest misconception about GI?
Dr. Kim: We’re not just about colonoscopies! I went into GI not just because I enjoy performing procedures, but because our specialty covers such a broad spectrum of physiology and diseases. We also have the ability as gastroenterologists to develop long-term relationships with our patients. I’ve been in practice now more than 25 years, and the greatest satisfaction in my career doesn’t come from the endoscopy center, although I still enjoy performing procedures. It comes from the clinic; it comes from the patients whom I’ve known for decades, and the interaction and conversations that I can have with them, the ability to see their families, their parents, and now in some cases their kids or even their grandkids. It’s incredibly satisfying. It makes my job fun.
What advice would you give to aspiring medical students?
Dr. Kim: One of the things I would say is stay involved in organized medicine. As physicians, we are endowed with great trust. We also have a great responsibility to help shape our healthcare care system. If we work together, we really can make a difference, not just for our profession, but also for society at large and for the patients whom we serve.
I really hope that young people don’t lose their optimism. We hear a lot these days about how much negativity and pessimism there is about the future, especially among young people in our society. But I think it’s a great time to be in medicine. Advances in medical science have made huge strides in our ability to make real differences for our patients. And the pace of technology progress is only going to continue to accelerate. Sure, there are lots of shortcomings in the practice of medicine, but honestly, that’s always been the case. I have faith that as a profession, we are smart people, we’re committed people, and we will be successful in overcoming those challenges. That’s the message that I have for young folks.
Lightning Round
Coffee or tea?
Coffee, black
What’s one hobby you’d like to pick up?
Anything except pickleball
What’s your favorite season of the year?
Winter, I’m a skier
What’s your favorite way to spend a weekend?
Doing anything outside
If you could have dinner with any historical figure, who would it be?
Ben Franklin
What’s your go-to karaoke song?
You don’t want to hear me sing
What’s one thing on your bucket list?
Skiing in South America
What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever received?
Follow your heart
“I was always interested in medicine. From a relatively early age I thought that’s what I would be doing,” said Dr. Kim. When his father became disillusioned with his own career as a pathologist, he encouraged his son to look in other directions.
“In college I had the opportunity to study and learn broadly and I became interested in public policy and eventually majored in that discipline,” he said.
The mentorship of the late Uwe Reinhardt, a well-respected health economist at Princeton University, had a major impact on Dr. Kim during his senior year of college. Reinhardt told him that physicians are afforded a special position in society. “They have a moral responsibility to take the lead in terms of guiding and shaping healthcare. His message made a big impression upon me,” said Dr. Kim.
Ultimately, he decided to go into clinical medicine, but maintained his interest in healthcare policy. Experiences outside of the standard approach to medicine “helped me stay in the big picture of healthcare, to make a difference beyond just my individual patients. And that’s played a big part in keeping me involved in organized medicine,” said Dr. Kim, who began his term as AGA president in May 2025.
Dr. Kim is also a partner at South Denver Gastroenterology, a 33-provider, independent gastroenterology practice in Colorado. As the first physician in Colorado with fellowship training in endoscopic ultrasound, he introduced this service line into South Denver’s advanced endoscopy practice.
Dr. Kim has served in numerous roles with AGA, among them the co-director of the AGA Clinical Congress, the Partners in Quality program, and the Nurse Practitioner and Physician Assistant Course. He is a Digestive Disease Week® abstract reviewer, has served as AGA representative to the Accreditation Association for Ambulatory Health Care and to the Alliance of Specialty Medicine. He has also served on the AGA Governing Board as clinical private practice councilor and secretary treasurer.
He discussed the high points of his career in an interview, revealing his plans as AGA president for unifying the sectors of GI medicine and fostering GI innovation and technology.
As the new AGA president, what are your goals for the society?
Dr. Kim: I want to put out a message of inclusivity. I think what’s special about AGA is that we’re the society for all gastroenterologists. Among all the other GI organizations, I think we really have the biggest tent and we work to unite clinicians, educators, and researchers – all gastroenterologists, regardless of their individual practice situation. These days, there is a tendency toward tribalism. People are starting to gravitate toward limiting their interactions to others that are from the same backgrounds. But as gastroenterologists we have more that unites us than divides us. It’s only by working together that we can make things better for everyone.
I think the second point is that we’re on the cusp of some important transformations in gastroenterology. The screening colonoscopy model that has sustained our specialty for decades is rapidly evolving. In addition, there is an increasing ability for patients as consumers to direct their own care through advances in technology, such as virtual health platforms. We’re seeing this as patients increasingly adopt things like complementary and alternative medicine outside of the standard model of physician-directed healthcare. These are two important trends that gastroenterologists need to be aware of and learn how to manage and to adapt to. I think AGA’s role is to help guide that evolution and to give physicians the tools to be able to respond.
We want to focus on innovation and we want to focus on practical solutions.
In terms of fostering innovation in gastroenterology, we’re the first medical professional society to create an incubator for new technologies. Not only do we provide that resource to our members, but we’re also putting our money where our mouth is. Through venture capital initiatives such as our GI Opportunity Fund, we directly invest in companies that we’re helping to develop.
On the practice side, we have been engaging directly with payers to foster improved communication and address pain points on both sides. I think we’re the only medical society that’s taking this type of approach and moving away from the traditional adversarial approach to dealing with payers. Recently, we had a very productive discussion with UnitedHealthcare around some of their upcoming formulary changes for inflammatory bowel disease. We used that opportunity to highlight how nonmedical switching between existing therapies can adversely impact patients, as well as increasing burden of red tape for practices.
Your practice was one of the original groups that formed the Digestive Health Physicians Association (DPHA). What accomplishments of the association are you most proud of?
Dr. Kim: DHPA formed about 10 years ago as an advocacy organization to combat a specific perceived threat, which was the in-office ancillary exception. This is the legislative pathway that allows gastroenterologists to provide ancillary services within their practice. An example of this is pathology for endoscopic procedures, which is an incredible value to patients and improves quality of care. This was under a significant legislative threat at that time. As independent physicians, DHPA took the lead in advocating against eliminating that exception.
I think the larger accomplishment was it demonstrated that gastroenterologists, specifically independent community practice gastroenterologists, could come together successfully and advocate for issues that were of importance to our specialty. AGA and DHPA have worked very well together, collaborating on shared policy interests and have worked closely on both legislative as well as regulatory issues. We’ve sponsored joint meetings that we’ve programmed together and we’re looking forward to continuing a robust partnership.
You have introduced several new clinical practice and practice management models. Can you discuss the part-time partnership model and what it has achieved?
Dr. Kim: Like many practices, South Denver Gastroenterology historically required physician partners to work full time. This conflicted with our desire and our need to attract more women gastroenterologists into our practice. The process involved careful analysis of our direct and indirect expenses, but more importantly it required a negotiation and a meeting of the minds among our partners. A lot of this ultimately came down to trust. It helped a great deal that our practice has always had strong cohesiveness. That helped us to build that trust that partners would stay engaged in the practice even if they worked part time.
Our practice has also always prioritized work-life balance. We were able to come up with a formula that allows partners to work three days per week, retaining their partnership interest and their participation in practice decisions. They stay involved but are also financially sustainable for the practice. It’s been very successful. It’s been a big draw, not just for women, but it has allowed us to create a situation where women are fully one third of our partnership. It’s something we’re all extremely proud of.
How did you get involved in AGA?
Dr. Kim: One of the first projects I participated in was the Roadmap to the Future of GI Practice. This was an initiative to help prepare GI practices for value-based care. We did things like develop quality measure sets for GI conditions such as inflammatory bowel disease and hepatitis C. We published a bundled payment model for screening colonoscopies. We also created a model for obesity management by gastroenterologists. This was 15 years ago, and I think it was about 15 years ahead of its time! It’s interesting to see how many of these changes in GI practice that we envisioned are slowly coming to pass.
I saw that AGA was interested in me as a community-based clinician. They focused on trying to develop those practical tools to help me succeed. It’s one of the reasons I’ve stayed engaged.
What is your approach to patient communication and education?
Dr. Kim: There are two things that I always tell both my staff as well as young people who come to me asking for advice. I think the first and most important is that you should always strive to treat your patients the way that you would want your family treated. Of course, we’re not perfect, but when that doesn’t happen, look at your behavior, the way that you’re interacting, but also the way the system is treating your patients and try to improve things within your own practice. And then the other thing that I tell folks is try to spend more time listening to your patients than talking or speaking at them.
What do you think is the biggest misconception about GI?
Dr. Kim: We’re not just about colonoscopies! I went into GI not just because I enjoy performing procedures, but because our specialty covers such a broad spectrum of physiology and diseases. We also have the ability as gastroenterologists to develop long-term relationships with our patients. I’ve been in practice now more than 25 years, and the greatest satisfaction in my career doesn’t come from the endoscopy center, although I still enjoy performing procedures. It comes from the clinic; it comes from the patients whom I’ve known for decades, and the interaction and conversations that I can have with them, the ability to see their families, their parents, and now in some cases their kids or even their grandkids. It’s incredibly satisfying. It makes my job fun.
What advice would you give to aspiring medical students?
Dr. Kim: One of the things I would say is stay involved in organized medicine. As physicians, we are endowed with great trust. We also have a great responsibility to help shape our healthcare care system. If we work together, we really can make a difference, not just for our profession, but also for society at large and for the patients whom we serve.
I really hope that young people don’t lose their optimism. We hear a lot these days about how much negativity and pessimism there is about the future, especially among young people in our society. But I think it’s a great time to be in medicine. Advances in medical science have made huge strides in our ability to make real differences for our patients. And the pace of technology progress is only going to continue to accelerate. Sure, there are lots of shortcomings in the practice of medicine, but honestly, that’s always been the case. I have faith that as a profession, we are smart people, we’re committed people, and we will be successful in overcoming those challenges. That’s the message that I have for young folks.
Lightning Round
Coffee or tea?
Coffee, black
What’s one hobby you’d like to pick up?
Anything except pickleball
What’s your favorite season of the year?
Winter, I’m a skier
What’s your favorite way to spend a weekend?
Doing anything outside
If you could have dinner with any historical figure, who would it be?
Ben Franklin
What’s your go-to karaoke song?
You don’t want to hear me sing
What’s one thing on your bucket list?
Skiing in South America
What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever received?
Follow your heart
